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October 28, 2009 5:25 PM quote 
GFreeman is offline GFreeman
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 No Substitutions
So, I’m at this restaurant. I ordered my main item, but as the waiter was walking away I realized I forgot to order the appetizer. No problem, I’ll order it the next time I see him.
 
I get his attention and let him know that I forgot to order an appetizer.
 
Me: I want the Nachos Blah Blah (I can’t remember the exact name.) with no beans.
 
Waiter: I’m sorry but no substitutions.
 
Me: It’s not a substitution, it’s a subtraction.
 
Waiter: We have Chips and Salsa.
 
Me: No, thanks.
 
For the sake of full disclosure, the menu clearly states NO SUBSTITUTIONS.
 
So, what do you say? Is requesting no beans on the Nachos a substitution?
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October 28, 2009 6:49 PM quote 
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I'm sure their intent with the "no substitution" rule was to do way with all changes. Poor wording choice on their part. Poor public relation strategy either way. If it were me, I wouldn't go back. Extreme, I know.

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October 28, 2009 10:41 PM quote 
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I do not consider a deletion the same as a substitution.  I would find out if that really is their policy or if it was an idiot employee that was too stupid to know the difference. 

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October 29, 2009 9:08 AM quote 
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The only way they couldn't have accomodate that request was if the product was made in advance.  And with nachos, if it was, I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted it.

I think I would have gone a step higher in the food chain (pardon the pun).  That was definitely wrong on the part of the server and I'm sure someone with a clue - providing managers with clues were hired - would have understood the difference between an omission and a substitution.

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October 29, 2009 8:08 PM quote 
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I'm interested in this discussion.

At my bakery, I had to limit the amount of changes people were making to our menu, due to a staggering volume, and a "No lines at food shops." rule by the theme park owner. (He believes 5 people constitute a line.) It has nothing at all to do with food costs, and everything to do with the time involved in turning a customer.

My answer was to put up a sign saying "All substitutions $1.00"

We'll make any substitution, and now it has become an upsell. My counter girls say we've missed no sales, although a few have rethought their order to stay with the original ingredients. I have stock items that address several food allergies (I have both raw food, vegetarian, and gluten free entrees), so it would be unusual for someone to feel they were forced to the upcharge by their allergies.

To explain what I mean by staggering volume; I'm the first food booth on the right in a theme park that gets an average of 30,000 people per day.

 

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October 30, 2009 1:07 PM quote 
GFreeman is offline GFreeman
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Rhonni,

Aren't captive audiences great!

October 30, 2009 9:55 PM quote 
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<sheepishly>

 

yes, they are.

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November 3, 2009 1:06 AM quote 
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 hhhmmm

positively NOT a substitute, obviously a subtraction. without a doubt idiot employee.

November 4, 2009 1:01 AM quote 
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So, I found out that this restaurant is run and owned by a husband and wife team. The wife works the FOH and the husband cooks. There aren’t really any direct competitors. And being in operation since 1985 it’s considered one of the better restaurants in town or it’s what I call an “old friend” restaurant. Customers will put-up with crap from an “old friend” restaurant that they wouldn’t put-up with a “new acquaintance” restaurant.
 
I believe they don’t allow substitutions for two reasons: 1) They can get away with it, because of lack of direct competitors and they’re an “old friend”; and 2) The cook/husband doesn’t want the hassle, as he is very busy doing most of the cooking. 

Like Brandon said, “I'm sure their intent with the "no substitution" rule was to do way with all changes.” Therefore, in conclusion, I didn’t get my Nachos Blah Blah minus the beans, because my waiter didn’t want his ass chewed by the cook/husband owner.

I just want to add, if anyone wants to open a restaurant in Grand Juction, CO across the street from WW Peppers, I'm game.

Last edited: November 8, 2009 5:22 PM by GFreeman
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